- Location: #ptp on irc.freenode.net
- Date: 13 Jan 2004
- Planned Start Time: 6:30PM
- Actual Start Time: 6:33 PM
- End Time: 7:34 PM
* Let's toss around some thoughts on a new database for storing node info, and what is needed for in-house and public consumption. MichaelWeinberg
<dje> luckymike: you have the floor <luckymike> keegan tom and I went around about this the other day <luckymike> and then we got the timely message from casey <keegan> collord has resumed doing actual work on that <keegan> in response to casey's message <keegan> at least on a basic level <keegan> par examplar <dje> luckymike: you still have the floor <luckymike> I hope we'll have a good discussion of this at the monthly <keegan> http://maps.personaltelco.net/phpc/node-rdf.cgi <keegan> not likely, it's a bit early <dje> shall we move it to the monthly agenda? <luckymike> but in advance of that, I'd like some talking points about what we need in such a DB <keegan> i recommend you contact him directly or post on the related thread on general if you have thoughts <dje> luckymike: you still have the floor <keegan> the db exists already <luckymike> keegan: I'm not just looking at Casey's <keegan> i'm not talking about casey's. <keegan> i am talking about ours, on bone, in postgresql. <luckymike> oh <luckymike> well, in anycase, that's not what I'm referring to <luckymike> I'm referring to a publicly available, perhaps searchable, DB <luckymike> a replacement for nodeDB <keegan> you're referring to an interface to the database which exists, i think <luckymike> sure, if you want to call it that <keegan> minor terminology gap <luckymike> my impression is that the jury isn't totally in on whether we'd be considering a redone DB as well <dje> luckymike: you still have the floor <musashi> why replace nodedb? <luckymike> well, for many reasons <luckymike> it's not open source, as we had expected when we first signed on <musashi> ic <luckymike> the lat/long coordinates that it's mapping software gives don't jive with a gps, and as such as "fog of war" as tomwsmf put it <luckymike> it's pretty ugly <musashi> just curious why the wheel was broken. thx. <luckymike> sure <luckymike> it's my feeling that we don't need everything that nodeDB offers in our public interface <loraksus> not to sound critical, but should we even think of doing it before we finish doing the usage db stuff? <luckymike> well, I think that there is still a question about actually doing it or not <keegan> yes, to avoid having to rethink the usage db stuff at a later time :) <loraksus> I see <keegan> especially since there's already the basis of an implementation <luckymike> and we don't really know what "it" is yet <luckymike> one way to look at it is that it would be best to put out publicly available interface energies towards jiwire.com, and get ours listed as Personal Telco Nodes, instead of Independant <luckymike> that would give us more brand recognition in the same arena as T-Mobile and the like <luckymike> out=our <keegan> i'm afraid i think that http://www.personaltelco.net/static/node/ is much better suited for that sort of application <dje> luckymike: you still have the floor <luckymike> I think it's a better way to find a ptp node <keegan> the undefined "it" is better than that page? <keegan> perhaps it's time you defined your understanding of "it" <luckymike> it is a means to look for nodes with a web interface
NigelBallard if leading coffee shop in sellwood, ice cream parlor downtown, bar near PSU and the mall in the suburbs.(no change 01/13/04)
TomFitz and KeeganQuinn: Automated database to facilitate generating statistics. Discussion concludes that individual users must not be identified, but data could potentially be useful and interesting. update: MAC address tracking/NoCat logs. looking for volunteers (Change 01/06/04)-- KeeganQuinn nocatauth to export xml statistics, it may be useful in the interim. seattlewireless has Really Cool Shit http://stats.seattlewireless.net/
http://www.caseyhalverson.com/wispot/ (Change 01/13/04) Contact as been made with Casey Halverson. The data scheme is being looked at.
KeeganQuinn suggests holding a wireless summit in Summer 2004. (Change 01/13/04)
KeeganQuinn is interested in doing a satellite dish modification workshop involving 2.4 GHz and/or 5.8 GHz bands based on Trevor Marshall's bi-quad design with Primestar and possibly DirecTV/Dish Networks reflectors. AaronBaer and TomFitz both volunteer locations. Planning to hold the event in February, after TomHiggins' January installfest. update: AaronBaer says Jan31st for research day, then feb for actual event. (Change 01/13/04) DarrinEden has made a motion to make the day focused on UNII antennas. Discusion was had with an outcome to having a primary focus on UNII but open to ISM as well. It was so moved.
TomFitz, KeeganQuinn, and Carl volunteer gas money for the PTP Van. TomHiggins will look into insurance. update: still need VIN, etc. AaronBaer says owner must insure. Nigel says last insurance cost $312 for 6 months. Shawn will look into insurance "deals". (Change 01/13/04) Van will be moved to Open Oregon and a plan for its future will be formulated.
A good hardware grant with clear plan for use of the gear is what FreeGeek is looking for. Such grant writing projects would net us some gear and experience with grant writing. (Change 01/13/04) AaronBaer, KeeganQuinn, TomHiggins and EugenKeam met for a lunchtime Grants meeting. A wikipage will be creaed to keep notes and ideas generated for grants.
A somewhat old, yet new to some folks, issue has been raised, that of the PTP SSID. DonPark - I move we change the standard essid to "www.personaltelco.net )( TomHiggins suggests www.personaltelco.net:nodeXXX )( DonPark brought up thatwww.personaltelco.net/nodeXXX )( is closer to a url to which matthewa notes that some AP's don't allow an '/' in the ssid. matthewa further puts froth that a common SSID of www.personaltelco.net and a StationName of Node1234 might
make more sense? DonPark replies that idea could work too for hotspots that dont overlap. And so the tech rant went flring on until various things were thrown at the participants.