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ptp monthly meeting raw notes january 29, 2003

introductions > david olsen, bureau director, office of cable communications and franchise management

nigel

add wifi to your cafe and business will increase

adam

how accurate is nodedb and what is it, lot of new people here, inform all of meeting formats, welcome to join us afterwards to pick our brains

david olsen

smallest bureau with longest name, seen many generations of tech go through, a legal policy wonk by trade, been a wireline guy in my career, riding the wave, showing what can happen when the public interest is served, missing the social, economic and cultural opportunities, sky dayton-he's one of many who are locking up spectrum to repackage it and resell to the public, better known as commercial missionaries, get your nodes out there, educate the public, make it clear that you don't have to lose your shirt to get hooked up, reminded of cable access days (at&t), the converged sector of cable tv-telecommunications, these large companies that were supposed to compete with eachother that hatched these smaller companies that were supposed to compete with eachother collapsed, we are a decentralizing force, doing grassroots work is essential, made funny crack about astroturf yeah okay you had to be there, cannot look to the fcc nor to the government, the work in evangelizing is a huge endeavor, check city of portland website, look for cable and you find the cable office, give david solice props, we look to the very active long beach california community

You can find a recording of the meeting [http://oxygen.thebasement.org/ptp/web/meetings/200301/index.html here].

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adam

1. status of financials, using paypal but nothing in it now, we have a bank account now approximately $500, we were founded in november 2000, august/september 2002 became an oregon non-profit, obtained 5013c status, we'll find out in 4-6 weeks from irs, we have no full time employees so we need to raise funds, buy t-shirts and seek donations, that's the non-profit update

2. why is ptp around? what we accomplish? sometimes when we work on it we're not always aware of our contributions, good to know the city is aware of us

3. adam travelled extensively the past few months, went to england-new zealand-australia, they've heard of ptp, community wireless groups in greece are going nuts, the difference with the states is that these countries can actually make something better, wireless group in netherlands is considered the biggest most comprehensive community wifi network in the world, they use a combination of oadb, os--, automated bill system via boxes, they work with an extensive number of local community groups, people are coming to them, echoed closely with work from the community and the technical aspects will take care of itself, we will succeed when we get other community groups to join-build-expand, it is the people and the locations that you have access to that makes the difference

launi

1. t-shirts on sale $5 contact launi, if you have questions feel free to raise your hand

2. talk about itec, last year we did a couple events, orcon-took ptp van to orcon, they wanted us to provide internet access and wifi cafe, kgon tower shoot to the van antenna, actually provided internet access, learned about equip protocols to use in this site specific context, kgon antenna still up there, winfield has an arrangement with kgon, generated $300 for ptp from van rental

3. recently participated in itec, first convention that i put together, our theme and booth was grunge style, as it turned out we were swamped, all of us were tied up talking to someone, we had a lot of people inspired by us, glad to resolve the issue with tmobile, got a lot of contacts from itec, many requests to help setup a node

aaron

at itec the nytimes article was posted which included a ptp member posing in the park blocks, sam laminated article on that itec day at the booth, that was classic timing

launi

core of your booth doesn't necessitate expected activity of booth, we spread the word, thanks for your support

adam

1. some thanks to don and other ops team members, pioneer square node gets most attention and use, namely by journalists of note

2. pioneer square hardware has been through some hard times, swapped hd twice, installed again, its an embedded linux system, s- box good price

3. statistics of the network question, someone wanted to know usage statistics

don

we have data from a year ago, 17 authorizations per day average

adam

1. how much bandwidth shared, has two t1s feed their corporate net, we use a portion of their bandwidth, rate limit ourselves to 384k downstream

a. come within range

b. dhcp

c. open web browser

d. directs to captive portal on our box's web server

e. update rules and allows traffic out

2. no hard limit to individual users, access points typically 10-100 simultaneous connections, there is no hard limit noted on hardware specs its all marketing bs, our hard limit for ptp is 150

3. question-do you have a sense of usage patterns like new regular users, answer-haven't done any data mining, privacy concerns with statistical analysis

4. transmission power question to be answered after meeting

5. what exactly is community wireless network-wifi? is it for free, why are ap connections free, does money have anything to do with it, we looked to open source software license frameworks

6. adam and group of friends started a manifesto, what are the characteristics of our organization, wireless commons evangelizes need for a commerce platform over a network which stays open and available for anyone to use, check out picopeer and wirelesscommons.org

7. there was a wireless conference in berlin, beginnings of a pseudo legal document for traffic routing much like the gpl model for source code

8. is tom higgins here?, tom had a newbie workshop at his house-discussed building antennas and general tech help

9. organization issues to be discussed, our first annual board meeting in december, at meeting we felt despair and frustrated with work we have or have not done, however we had a good healthy rant, good news now we have more projects to do, i see 2003 a transition year for running a non-profit and the transition of hotspots to building a network (man)

10. like to see embedded wireless systems used more often, try to connect all the hotspots to actually build a network, its a big project we need you, who do you know and what can you do, that's an interesting and necessary part of our efforts

11. transparency issues need to be addressed, decisions resulted in multiple mailing lists, private mailing lists becoming exclusive, board decided to make more transparent, now the admin list will be open, ops list will be open as well, ops list stays open to prevent shortcutting to individuals, ops archives opened although some parts are sensitive, announce list will be used more often

12. ptp is a membership org currently the only members are the board, required by law to track members, so currently we track board only, we will develop membership policies

13. ptp really needs office space, ptp individuals currently paying out of pocket, office space near downtown preferably

member suggestion

galleria could be available

member suggestion

pmug.org has an office in the galleria, willing to help in some way

launi

what does it take to be a member?

adam

what are we proposing to become a member?

a. by running a node

b. a fully branded ptp node

c. ssid to www.personaltelco.net

d. certain more detailed technical reqs to be a node

e. can be a repeater node (a method to avoid providing internet access)

f. honorary members can qualify that are not able to run a node for residential reasons and can be granted membership as a thank you

g. paid membership discussed but no real agreement if good or bad but a good way to raise funds

adam

1. final thing to say, ptp has been a meritocracy up to this point, if someone does it well they usually own the project largely, if you want to become a board member we accepting nominations in august, septbember board meeting decided by advisory board, side note board of directors are liable and responsible for execution of policies, advisory board provides neutral guidance, one annual meeting required

2. everytime we discuss a business opp a commercial provider beats us to it, two bars currently interested, a property developer interested in us with possible roof access, one lake oswego property interested, we have tread c to carefully with volunteer labor

nigel

typically if this is a cafe its the first person through door becomes the defacto provider, we have to be circumspect about our involvements

member comment

glad to hear ops list open, chilling effect on speech censors and openness

adam

discussion of new nodes on board list only, have to be careful with sensitive business information, setting up trouble ticket system in accordance with opened lists

aaron

don't leave it up ops team to help and instruct others, you do the work and then ask for assistance after

adam

kicker is that giving away free internet access, regardless of the fact that a cafe is offering, john smith is going to think the cafe owner will know how to fix it, disadvantage is that we can't fully support installations properly, value added service for cafes, possible better wording community wifi access, never known to make a deal by stating that its community access, triage address for tech support

launi

encourage people to use the main list, if question goes answered then the issue can escalate to one on one instruction

adam

1. who here has actually used a node? hands up, thanks to dan for the monthly meeting node, tech talk on s-boxes later

2. we had dreams of creating a wide network, like connecting here and going out the wireless network to launi's node, more interesting things can happen not relying on the internet for content

3. 802.11b can't talk to another ap, we're stuck with 802.11b

4. we wanted an upgradeable configurable platform to allow more flexible routing solutions, s-boxes offers an embedded platform and has no moving parts and runs linux so ultimately configurable small configurable quiet more expensive $300 however its still a good thing, standardized images and boxes good, manage this one device and cuts effort redundancy, many other wifi groups are using the sokris box, would like to see dev of installation cds detects os and autoinstalls

nigel

802.1x inquiry

adam

1. we are several years away from 802.1x

2. mapping software we have used (nodedb), the author announced that he will open source it, anticipating its release

stay tuned for next monthly meeting announcement

corrections send to eugene@popmatrix.com

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