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Stop Fucking Hacking Plz ;) I've got a headache Intersil sells the Prism2.x/3 chipset to wireless card manufacturers and for ["802.11b"] wireless gear the Prism2 chipset is pretty much the standard. A long time ago both Aironet (now Cisco) and WaveLan (now Lucent/Orinoco/Avaya/Agere) diverged from the base Prism2 chipset to make their own improved versions.
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By O' Dirty CkHStop Fucking Hacking Plz ;) I've got a headache In the mean time Linux drivers have emerged to take advantage of the HostApMode abilities of the stock Prism2 cards which allows us to build a LinuxAccessPoint that supports InfrastructureMode.
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By O' Dirty CkHStop Fucking Hacking Plz ;) I've got a headache If you are trying to setup a Prism2Card to work in your linux box (not in HostApMode, but as a client machine), here's a quick somthing I wrote up to keep people on the IrcChannel from asking me the same question over and over.... [http://wiki.truffula.net/ashlandwifi/index.php?PrismCardSetup] . Let me know if it works for you, and also if you have a distro not listed so I can add instructions for that distro. --ForrestEnglish
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By O' Dirty CkHStop Fucking Hacking Plz ;) I've got a headache The problem is that most of the the stock Prism2Card''''''s stink in comparison to the Cisco/Lucent ones. Below we are trying to maintain a list of the best Prism2Card''''''s which have external antenna connectors to facilitate the building of high quality OpenSource AccessPoints.
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By O' Dirty CkHStop Fucking Hacking Plz ;) I've got a headache ||'''Make'''||'''Model'''||'''Card'''||'''Connector'''||'''Rx'''||'''Tx'''||'''Comments'''||
||[http://www.3com.com 3Com]||[http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku=3CRWE777A 3CRWE777A]||PCI (PCMCIA <-> PCI bridge)||[https://www.warchalking.com.br/cgi-bin/base/tutoriais2.444?40 Hackable (Brazilian portuguese text + pics)]||?||?||Looks/behaves exactly as SMC2632W.||
||[http://www.addtron.com/ Addtron]||[http://www.addtron.com/products/awp100.htm AWP-100]||PCMCIA||.||-76 dBm||>13 dBm||Looks like the Belkin and SMC||
||[http://www.addtron.com/ Addtron]||AWP-101||PCMCIA||Unknown||.||.||.||
||[http://www.allnet.de/cgi-php/produkte_text.php?allnet_pn=ALL0191&katnr=19 Allnet]||ALL0191||PCI||SMA||?||?||Detachable antenna. Looks like just another MW251 clone, maybe same as old WMP11 (see [http://www.bawug.org/images/equipment/linksys/wmp11/ these pictures]).||
||[http://www.asante.com/ Asanté]||[http://www.asante.com/products/adapters/al1011/index.html AL1011]||5V PCMCIA||.|| ? ||13 dBm||Very similar to Belkin & SMC, but also supported on Macintosh||
||[http://www.asus.com/ Asus]||[http://www.asus.com/products/communication/wireless/wl-110/overview.htm wl110]||5/3.3V CF|| none ||.||12-15 dBm||Compact Flash version of WL110||
||[http://www.belkin.com/ Belkin]||[http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=200340&pcount=&Product_Id=122691&Section.Section_Path=%2FRoot%2FNetworki%2E%2E%2EndCables%2FWirelessNetworking%2Fct_Id> F5D6020 (Ver.1)]||PCMCIA||.||.||13-20 dBm (50mW max)||Very Flat & Stackable - Appears to be the same as the SMC; Careful: There's a F5D6020 ver.2 which has an Atmel AT76C502A Chipset||
||[http://www.belkin.com/ Belkin]||[http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Product_Id=125962 F5D6001 ver.1 ]||PCI||Reverse SMA||.||?|| Works flawlessly with HostAP - needs to be flashed to firmware 1.4.9 (done on boot with prism2_srec), Version 2101 is ADM8211 based [http://wiki.a32.net/bin/qwiki.pl?BelkinWireless info and photo] .. often wrongly labelled! [http://search.belkin.com/cgi-bin/MsmFind.exe?QUERY_ENCODING=UTF-8&QUERY=f5d6001&CFGNAME=MssFind%2Ecfg&MEDIA_TYPE=0&AND_ON=N&ALLCATS=X&AGE_WGT=0&NO_DL=X&DE=X&EN=X&AGE_WGT=0&CAT_KEY=6&BACK_FIRST_CAT_NUM=0 Manuals]||
||[http://www.compaq.com/ Compaq ]|| WL100 || 3.3v PCMCIA || None || ? || 20mW typ / 100mW max || ||
||[http://www.compaq.com/ Compaq ]|| WL200 || PCI (PCMCIA <-> PCI bridge) || Reverse Threaded SMA || ? || 20dBm max || The PCMCIA version is the wl100. note: the WL210 and WL110 are different chipsets. ||
||[http://www.cellvision.net/ CellVision]||[http://www.cellvision.net/pics/specs/wireless%20networking%20product/Wlc%2D100.pdf WLC-100 (pdf)]||?||?||?||?||one image looks like DLink. sold for $65 at comready.com||
||[http://www.demarctech.com/ Demarc]||[http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-100mw-prism2-5-pcmcia-card.html Relia-Wave]||5 VDC PCMCIA||Diversity RP-MMCX||-91db||100mW or 20dBm|| - ||
||[http://www.demarctech.com/ Demarc]||[http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-200mw-prism2-5-pcmcia-card.html Relia-Wave]||5 VDC PCMCIA||Diversity RP-MMCX||-91dB||200mW or 23dBm|| - ||
||[http://www.dlink.com/ D-Link]||DWL-520(c1)||PCI||Reverse SMA|| ? || ? || ADM8211 (not PRISM!) unsupported (original DWL-520 was prism) ||
||[http://www.dlink.com/ D-Link]||DW-655H||PCMCIA||yes, with nice switch||standard prism2.5?||standard prism2.5?|| probably at least 100 mW ||
||[http://www.dlink.com/ D-Link]||[http://www.dlink.com/products/wireless/dwl650/ DWL-650]||3.3v PCMCIA||[http://kevlar.burdell.org/~will/antenna/ Hackable]||-78 or -84 dBm||14 or 17 dBm||Dwl650Comments||
||[http://www.dlink.com/ D-Link]||[http://www.dlink.com/products/DigitalHome/Mobile/dcf650w/ DCF650w]||3.3v Compact Flash||lid snaps off/has socket||-80 to -88 dBm||14 or 18 dBm||Dcf650wComments||
||[http://www.hautespot.net/store HauteSpot Networks]||NL-2511CD PLUS||PCMCIA||Integrated 2dBi||-96 dBm||23 dBm (200mW)||Dual MMCX antenna connectors for diversity||
||[http://www.hautespot.net/store HauteSpot Networks]||NL-2511CD PLUS EXT2||PCMCIA||Dual MMCX||-96 dBm||23 dBm (200mW)||Dual MMCX antenna connectors for diversity||
||[http://www.hautespot.net/store HauteSpot Networks]||NL-2511MP PLUS||3.3/5v mini PCI||Dual U.FL/MHF||-96 dBm||200mW||Dual U.FL antenna connectors for diversity||
||[http://www.linksys.com/ LinkSys]||[http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=156&grid=19 WPC11]||3.3/5v PCMCIA||.||.||14 dBm||.||
||[http://www.linksys.com/ LinkSys]||[http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=196&grid=19 WMP11]||PCI||RP-SMA||.||[http://lists.bawug.org/pipermail/wireless/2001-December/004200.html +16dBm]||Wmp11Comments||
||[http://www.netgate.com Netgate]||2511CD PLUS EXT2||PCMCIA||Dual MMCX||-? dBm||23 dBm (200mW)||Twin antenna leads||
||[http://www.Netgate.com Netgate]||2511MP PLUS||3.3/5v mini PCI||Dual U.FL/MHF||-? dBm||160mW||Twin antenna leads||
||[http://www.netgear.com Netgear]||MA311/MA311GE||PCI||-||-||-||very reliable with orinoco_pci||
||[http://www.proxim.com/ Proxim]||RangeLAN-DS 8434-05||3.3v PCMCIA||Dual Reverse MMCX||-83 dBm||13dBm||has a detachable antenna RangeLanDsComments||
||[http://www.proxim.com/ Proxim]||RangeLAN-DS 8433-05||3.3v PCMCIA||Single unknown connector (SSMB?)||-83 dBm||13dBm||RangeLanDsComments||
||[http://www.metrix.net/metrix/products/radios/pcmcia/ Senao]||2511CD PLUS EXT2||PCMCIA||Dual MMCX||-? dBm||23 dBm (200mW)||Twin antenna leads||
||[http://www.metrix.net/metrix/products/radios/minipci Senao MiniPCI ]||2511MP PLUS||3.3/5v mini PCI||Dual U.FL/MHF||-? dBm|| 22.5 dBm (177mW) ||Twin antenna leads||
||[http://www.siemens.com Siemens]||[http://w3.siemens.ch/de/icp/dienste/igate/support/index/content.html I-Gate]||PCMCIA||? ||?||?||[http://wiki.a32.net/bin/qwiki.pl?SiemensWlan Antenna]||
||[http://www.smc.com SMC]||[http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_product&productcode=SMC2532W-B SMC2532W-B]||PCMCIA||Dual RP-MMCX ||-89 dBm||200mW Max (23 dBm)||OEM of Zcomax 325 same FCC-ID||
||[http://www.smc.com SMC]||[http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_product&productcode=SMC2632W SMC2632W]||PCMCIA||[http://www.guerrilla.net/reference/80211_mod/SMC2632_antenna_mod/ Hackable]||-76 dBm||50mw Max (17 dBm)||Smc2632wComments Appears to be the same as the Belkin. Caution: There is a V.2 that comes without PrismII||
||[http://www.smc.com SMC]||[http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_product&productcode=SMC2602W SMC2602W]||PCI||unknown but strange solder pads on PCI card||-76 dBm||50mw Max (17 dBm)||Comes with Smc2632W card with sticker saying "Do not remove". PCI card is not a straight PCMCIA bridge, it is a plx card. manufacturer site photo shows ADMtek 8211 controller, thus not compatible since no prsimII hardware||
||[http://www.teletronics.com/ Teletronics]||[http://www.teletronics.com/tii/products/wireless_lan/LANc11.html WL-11000]||PCMCIA||Dual Reverse MMCX||-83 dBm||15 dBm||It appears to be a Zcomax XI-300, they sell one with and one without the snap-on antenna||
||[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]||[http://www.zcomax.com/htm/xi300.htm XI-300]||PCMCIA||Dual Reverse MMCX||-83 dBm||13 dBm||has a detachable antenna ZcomaxXi300Comments||
||[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]||[http://www.zcomax.com/htm/xi300.htm XI-300B]||PCMCIA||None||-83 dBm||13 dBm||||
||[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]||[http://www.zcomax.com/htm/future.htm ZFE-300]||PCMCIA||Dual MMCX (probably reverse)||.||.||comes with no antenna, Sold by Future Electronics||
||[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]||[http://www.zcom.com.tw/product/product%20info/pro_info113.htm XI-325]||PCMCIA||Dual Reverse MMCX||-85dBm||15dBm||Prism 2.5, has a detachable antenna||
||[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]||[XI-325H]||PCMCIA||Dual Reverse MMCX||-83||100mw||Prism 2.5, has a detachable antenna||
||[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]||[XI-325H1]||PCMCIA||Dual Reverse MMCX||.||180mw||Prism 2.5, has a detachable antenna, still waiting on FCC approval||
||[http://www.zoom.com/zoomair/ ZoomAir]||[http://www.zoom.com/zoomair/zanics.shtml 4105]||PCMCIA||RP-SMA||.||14 dBm||
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By O' Dirty CkHStop Fucking Hacking Plz ;) I've got a headache http://www.goonda.org/wireless/prism2/ Some good but slightly dated prism2/linux information -- DonPark
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Other good source of information: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison
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[CategoryDocumentation]

Intersil sells the Prism2.x/3 chipset to wireless card manufacturers and for ["802.11b"] wireless gear the Prism2 chipset is pretty much the standard. A long time ago both Aironet (now Cisco) and WaveLan (now Lucent/Orinoco/Avaya/Agere) diverged from the base Prism2 chipset to make their own improved versions.

In the mean time Linux drivers have emerged to take advantage of the HostApMode abilities of the stock Prism2 cards which allows us to build a LinuxAccessPoint that supports InfrastructureMode.

If you are trying to setup a Prism2Card to work in your linux box (not in HostApMode, but as a client machine), here's a quick somthing I wrote up to keep people on the IrcChannel from asking me the same question over and over.... [http://wiki.truffula.net/ashlandwifi/index.php?PrismCardSetup] . Let me know if it works for you, and also if you have a distro not listed so I can add instructions for that distro. --ForrestEnglish

The problem is that most of the the stock Prism2Cards stink in comparison to the Cisco/Lucent ones. Below we are trying to maintain a list of the best Prism2Cards which have external antenna connectors to facilitate the building of high quality OpenSource AccessPoints.

Make

Model

Card

Connector

Rx

Tx

Comments

[http://www.3com.com 3Com]

[http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/detail.jsp?tab=features&pathtype=purchase&sku=3CRWE777A 3CRWE777A]

PCI (PCMCIA <-> PCI bridge)

[https://www.warchalking.com.br/cgi-bin/base/tutoriais2.444?40 Hackable (Brazilian portuguese text + pics)]

?

?

Looks/behaves exactly as SMC2632W.

[http://www.addtron.com/ Addtron]

[http://www.addtron.com/products/awp100.htm AWP-100]

PCMCIA

.

-76 dBm

>13 dBm

Looks like the Belkin and SMC

[http://www.addtron.com/ Addtron]

AWP-101

PCMCIA

Unknown

.

.

.

[http://www.allnet.de/cgi-php/produkte_text.php?allnet_pn=ALL0191&katnr=19 Allnet]

ALL0191

PCI

SMA

?

?

Detachable antenna. Looks like just another MW251 clone, maybe same as old WMP11 (see [http://www.bawug.org/images/equipment/linksys/wmp11/ these pictures]).

[http://www.asante.com/ Asanté]

[http://www.asante.com/products/adapters/al1011/index.html AL1011]

5V PCMCIA

.

?

13 dBm

Very similar to Belkin & SMC, but also supported on Macintosh

[http://www.asus.com/ Asus]

[http://www.asus.com/products/communication/wireless/wl-110/overview.htm wl110]

5/3.3V CF

none

.

12-15 dBm

Compact Flash version of WL110

[http://www.belkin.com/ Belkin]

[http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=200340&pcount=&Product_Id=122691&Section.Section_Path=%2FRoot%2FNetworki%2E%2E%2EndCables%2FWirelessNetworking%2Fct_Id> F5D6020 (Ver.1)]

PCMCIA

.

.

13-20 dBm (50mW max)

Very Flat & Stackable - Appears to be the same as the SMC; Careful: There's a F5D6020 ver.2 which has an Atmel AT76C502A Chipset

[http://www.belkin.com/ Belkin]

[http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Product_Id=125962 F5D6001 ver.1 ]

PCI

Reverse SMA

.

?

Works flawlessly with HostAP - needs to be flashed to firmware 1.4.9 (done on boot with prism2_srec), Version 2101 is ADM8211 based [http://wiki.a32.net/bin/qwiki.pl?BelkinWireless info and photo] .. often wrongly labelled! [http://search.belkin.com/cgi-bin/MsmFind.exe?QUERY_ENCODING=UTF-8&QUERY=f5d6001&CFGNAME=MssFind%2Ecfg&MEDIA_TYPE=0&AND_ON=N&ALLCATS=X&AGE_WGT=0&NO_DL=X&DE=X&EN=X&AGE_WGT=0&CAT_KEY=6&BACK_FIRST_CAT_NUM=0 Manuals]

[http://www.compaq.com/ Compaq ]

WL100

3.3v PCMCIA

None

?

20mW typ / 100mW max

[http://www.compaq.com/ Compaq ]

WL200

PCI (PCMCIA <-> PCI bridge)

Reverse Threaded SMA

?

20dBm max

The PCMCIA version is the wl100. note: the WL210 and WL110 are different chipsets.

[http://www.cellvision.net/ CellVision]

[http://www.cellvision.net/pics/specs/wireless%20networking%20product/Wlc%2D100.pdf WLC-100 (pdf)]

?

?

?

?

one image looks like DLink. sold for $65 at comready.com

[http://www.demarctech.com/ Demarc]

[http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-100mw-prism2-5-pcmcia-card.html Relia-Wave]

5 VDC PCMCIA

Diversity RP-MMCX

-91db

100mW or 20dBm

-

[http://www.demarctech.com/ Demarc]

[http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwz/reliawave-rwz-200mw-prism2-5-pcmcia-card.html Relia-Wave]

5 VDC PCMCIA

Diversity RP-MMCX

-91dB

200mW or 23dBm

-

[http://www.dlink.com/ D-Link]

DWL-520(c1)

PCI

Reverse SMA

?

?

ADM8211 (not PRISM!) unsupported (original DWL-520 was prism)

[http://www.dlink.com/ D-Link]

DW-655H

PCMCIA

yes, with nice switch

standard prism2.5?

standard prism2.5?

probably at least 100 mW

[http://www.dlink.com/ D-Link]

[http://www.dlink.com/products/wireless/dwl650/ DWL-650]

3.3v PCMCIA

[http://kevlar.burdell.org/~will/antenna/ Hackable]

-78 or -84 dBm

14 or 17 dBm

Dwl650Comments

[http://www.dlink.com/ D-Link]

[http://www.dlink.com/products/DigitalHome/Mobile/dcf650w/ DCF650w]

3.3v Compact Flash

lid snaps off/has socket

-80 to -88 dBm

14 or 18 dBm

Dcf650wComments

[http://www.hautespot.net/store HauteSpot Networks]

NL-2511CD PLUS

PCMCIA

Integrated 2dBi

-96 dBm

23 dBm (200mW)

Dual MMCX antenna connectors for diversity

[http://www.hautespot.net/store HauteSpot Networks]

NL-2511CD PLUS EXT2

PCMCIA

Dual MMCX

-96 dBm

23 dBm (200mW)

Dual MMCX antenna connectors for diversity

[http://www.hautespot.net/store HauteSpot Networks]

NL-2511MP PLUS

3.3/5v mini PCI

Dual U.FL/MHF

-96 dBm

200mW

Dual U.FL antenna connectors for diversity

[http://www.linksys.com/ LinkSys]

[http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=156&grid=19 WPC11]

3.3/5v PCMCIA

.

.

14 dBm

.

[http://www.linksys.com/ LinkSys]

[http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=196&grid=19 WMP11]

PCI

RP-SMA

.

[http://lists.bawug.org/pipermail/wireless/2001-December/004200.html +16dBm]

Wmp11Comments

[http://www.netgate.com Netgate]

2511CD PLUS EXT2

PCMCIA

Dual MMCX

-? dBm

23 dBm (200mW)

Twin antenna leads

[http://www.Netgate.com Netgate]

2511MP PLUS

3.3/5v mini PCI

Dual U.FL/MHF

-? dBm

160mW

Twin antenna leads

[http://www.netgear.com Netgear]

MA311/MA311GE

PCI

-

-

-

very reliable with orinoco_pci

[http://www.proxim.com/ Proxim]

RangeLAN-DS 8434-05

3.3v PCMCIA

Dual Reverse MMCX

-83 dBm

13dBm

has a detachable antenna RangeLanDsComments

[http://www.proxim.com/ Proxim]

RangeLAN-DS 8433-05

3.3v PCMCIA

Single unknown connector (SSMB?)

-83 dBm

13dBm

RangeLanDsComments

[http://www.metrix.net/metrix/products/radios/pcmcia/ Senao]

2511CD PLUS EXT2

PCMCIA

Dual MMCX

-? dBm

23 dBm (200mW)

Twin antenna leads

[http://www.metrix.net/metrix/products/radios/minipci Senao MiniPCI ]

2511MP PLUS

3.3/5v mini PCI

Dual U.FL/MHF

-? dBm

22.5 dBm (177mW)

Twin antenna leads

[http://www.siemens.com Siemens]

[http://w3.siemens.ch/de/icp/dienste/igate/support/index/content.html I-Gate]

PCMCIA

?

?

?

[http://wiki.a32.net/bin/qwiki.pl?SiemensWlan Antenna]

[http://www.smc.com SMC]

[http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_product&productcode=SMC2532W-B SMC2532W-B]

PCMCIA

Dual RP-MMCX

-89 dBm

200mW Max (23 dBm)

OEM of Zcomax 325 same FCC-ID

[http://www.smc.com SMC]

[http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_product&productcode=SMC2632W SMC2632W]

PCMCIA

[http://www.guerrilla.net/reference/80211_mod/SMC2632_antenna_mod/ Hackable]

-76 dBm

50mw Max (17 dBm)

Smc2632wComments Appears to be the same as the Belkin. Caution: There is a V.2 that comes without PrismII

[http://www.smc.com SMC]

[http://www.smc.com/index.cfm?action=products_show_product&productcode=SMC2602W SMC2602W]

PCI

unknown but strange solder pads on PCI card

-76 dBm

50mw Max (17 dBm)

Comes with Smc2632W card with sticker saying "Do not remove". PCI card is not a straight PCMCIA bridge, it is a plx card. manufacturer site photo shows ADMtek 8211 controller, thus not compatible since no prsimII hardware

[http://www.teletronics.com/ Teletronics]

[http://www.teletronics.com/tii/products/wireless_lan/LANc11.html WL-11000]

PCMCIA

Dual Reverse MMCX

-83 dBm

15 dBm

It appears to be a Zcomax XI-300, they sell one with and one without the snap-on antenna

[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]

[http://www.zcomax.com/htm/xi300.htm XI-300]

PCMCIA

Dual Reverse MMCX

-83 dBm

13 dBm

has a detachable antenna ZcomaxXi300Comments

[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]

[http://www.zcomax.com/htm/xi300.htm XI-300B]

PCMCIA

None

-83 dBm

13 dBm

[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]

[http://www.zcomax.com/htm/future.htm ZFE-300]

PCMCIA

Dual MMCX (probably reverse)

.

.

comes with no antenna, Sold by Future Electronics

[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]

[http://www.zcom.com.tw/product/product%20info/pro_info113.htm XI-325]

PCMCIA

Dual Reverse MMCX

-85dBm

15dBm

Prism 2.5, has a detachable antenna

[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]

[XI-325H]

PCMCIA

Dual Reverse MMCX

-83

100mw

Prism 2.5, has a detachable antenna

[http://www.zcomax.com/ Zcomax]

[XI-325H1]

PCMCIA

Dual Reverse MMCX

.

180mw

Prism 2.5, has a detachable antenna, still waiting on FCC approval

[http://www.zoom.com/zoomair/ ZoomAir]

[http://www.zoom.com/zoomair/zanics.shtml 4105]

PCMCIA

RP-SMA

.

14 dBm

http://www.goonda.org/wireless/prism2/ Some good but slightly dated prism2/linux information -- DonPark

Other good source of information: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison


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